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PATFC and FAST
Jul 7th, 2009, 1:56pm
 
I received the email about the Main Street Mile, PATFC and FAST.  I'm confused -- are these new programs competing with "Full Steam Ahead" and the Marathon Training Program?  The FAST group runs are Tuesday and Thursday evenings with the long run being on Sunday mornings.  Those are the same as Full Steam Ahead and Marathon Training.  Will all of the programs be combined or are the runs at different places?  Who's the head coach of FAST who will lead the 16 weeks of tailored workouts?
 
Is PATFC and FAST truly for everyone, or is this for those faster/more elite runners?  Should we "mid-packers" stay where we are?
 
I'm sure lots of questions will be answered at the informational meeting at 6:00 p.m. tonight, but that also conflicts with Full Steam Ahead.
 
It all sounds interesting, but do I stay with Full Steam Ahead or join PAFTC and FAST or spend the money and belong to everything?  Pros?  Cons?  Any advice would be appreciated.  
 
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Reply #1 - Jul 7th, 2009, 10:50pm
 
Word on the street it for faster cat's that don't want 1/2 marathon or marathon workouts that full steam ahead are doing.  Should be interesting to see if there is anyone going to buy into this track and field club distance wise besides  the same 5 or 7 running central guys/girls distance wise. Plus kids and sprinters and field event people and jumpers.   Alot of people are die heart team steam and ivs marathon training junkies so this program won't hurt the current programs at all!  The IVS programs are a place where fast or slow runners are equally as important and wanted!  I'm just glad it's marathon season!
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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2009, 8:07am
 
I wasn't ignoring you Melody.  I just didn't have the answer to your questions.  Did you get them answered at the meeting?
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Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2009, 8:44am
 
I didn't go to the meeting because it was held at the same time as Full Steam Ahead.  Is Josh correct with his answer?  It's not for everyone?
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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2009, 9:22am
 
The PATFC / FAST is for all levels of runners.  I think Josh is right, the main difference is that Full Steam Ahead is geared toward the IVS Half and fall marathons.  I think the FAST group is geared more towards runners that aren't planning a fall marathon.  I think FAST is also trying to get more kids involved, but that's just me saying that.
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2009, 10:10am
 
I will use an e-mail that Brad Henz provided to someone asking the same questions.
 
To help clarify...
 
The Peoria Area Track and Field Club is a separate entity than IVS.  Our  
program FAST is for any distance.  It is individualized training for  
whatever the participant is doing or wants to do.  As the coach, I am  
putting together weekly training programs for each person depending on  
ability, miles, goals, etc.  T-TH we are not with the IVS.  While we  
will utilize the cemetery, the track, and much of the same running  
areas, as a public place, the two clubs are co-existing on those days.  
Sunday long runs are at the same location because the mentors of FAST  
are also volunteers of IVS, and the PATFC has offered to alternate/help  
with water and gatorade stops.  FAST will have different agendas on all  
days but will be at the same locations.  Initially, Sundays were all  
going to be from Running Central for FAST, but it is to the  
participant's advantage for both the IVS and PATFC programs and their  
participants to share the roads and give everyone even more training  
partners, thus we are doing the same locations.
 
It is vital for our community to grow and it is just as important for  
our running community to grow.  Both organizations will work together to  
promote exercise/fitness/and well being.  I cannot speak for the IVS,  
but the PATFC is based around the USATF.  PATFC's goal to build  
developmental programs to help promote track and field (and ALL its  
avenues), and more importantly the values instilled within track and  
field, to the adults and the youth of Peoria and its surrounding  
communities by specifically joining with Carl Cannon's C.H.O.I.C.E.S  
Youth Outreach.
 
To be a member of the PATFC, there are levels of membership from  
individuals to couples to families.  A couple is $50.  Individual is  
$30.  All members receive a PATFC Mizuno Singlet as well as free  
programs listed on the website.  You can find more info at www.patfc.org
 
FAST is a PATFC program and you must be a PATFC member to do FAST.  Cost  
for FAST is $100 and is 16 weeks of coaching.
 
The Springdale Series is an IVS program.  PATFC is having All Comer  
Track and Field Meets starting at the end of July and alternating  
Wednesday/Tuesday for 6 weeks.  Members of FAST on those Tuesdays will  
be at the Peoria Stadium for the track meets and will use the meet as  
the work out.  I have already scheduled specific distances on the  
Tuesday nights for the FAST group to have longer races...5k/10k.
 
Hope this helps!
 
Brad Henz
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Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2009, 10:58am
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 8th, 2009, 2:53pm
 
F.A.S.T. stands for Fun And Smart Training.  It doesn't mean you have to be FAST in order to do this.  Again, it is for everyone and tailored toward your individual goals, abilities, mileage, etc.
 
The concept and philosophy are not my own.  I am a graduate of North Central College and ran under Al Carius for four years.  His philosophy of "Run for Fun and Personal Bests" is where the F.A.S.T. methodology and philosophy comes from.  
 
The training schedules will be individualized for 7 days a week for 16 weeks.  Whether your goal is the Chicago Marathon, to PR in your 5k, or get better as an overall runner, the concepts and ideas are to provide coaching based on who you are.  Most coaches understand that what works for one person, may not work for someone else, thus individualized, tailored programs are necessary to help people work on reaching their goals/potential.
 
The contact days are on Tuesday and Thursdays.  Sundays are a long run.  IVS and PATFC will both be having volunteers provide the water/gatorade on Sundays.  T-TH, the groups are separate.
 
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me at bhenz76@gmail.com or call me at 309-360-7780
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2009, 10:24pm
 
Quote from Josh Banister on Jul 7th, 2009, 10:50pm:
Word on the street it for faster cat's that don't want 1/2 marathon or marathon workouts that full steam ahead are doing.  Should be interesting to see if there is anyone going to buy into this track and field club distance wise besides  the same 5 or 7 running central guys/girls distance wise. Plus kids and sprinters and field event people and jumpers.   Alot of people are die heart team steam and ivs marathon training junkies so this program won't hurt the current programs at all!  The IVS programs are a place where fast or slow runners are equally as important and wanted!  I'm just glad it's marathon season!

 
 
 
Hahahaha...didn't know there was an official "word on the street" other than John Sharp and Karen McDonald.  What's interesting here? That a group would form to direct it's efforts toward development of youth? Think about it, Peoria is rich with talent young and old(er), but the current programs are not geared toward development of youth as much as they toward adult runners. I agree with your statement the FAST group doesn't compete with current IVS programs directly, but does offer alternatives that can be used to supplement the larger goal of bringing along youth talent. Loyalty is important, Josh, to the running community at-large.
 
I think the sentiment that this group conflicts with IVS is mis-placed. And, I'm not suggesting that's what you're saying Josh, but wanted to address it anyway. Peoria's running community is one of the region's crown Jewel's. If the school district can't bring these kids along, then I think the running community has somewhat of an obligation to try.  
 
Plus, are you kidding? Do you know how fun it would be to run a track meet for all-comers at Peoria Stadium in August? Or, an indoor meet in February? You and I have both had enough injuries from marathon training to know we need to mix it up a bit because the long slog isn't the way to running longevity. Offering up some races from 100m-5000m on the track keeps the legs fresh!
 
So, Josh, we're in agreement, this is a good thing because as you state this isn't geared toward speed, but development.
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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2009, 11:25pm
 
    First, the youth do need mentors no doubt, not argueing with that point. Which me and my wife do by coaching together at st. thomas.  But kids k thru 8 don't need year round running, with a busy life already.  My kids do soccer, swimming and school track starting next year. Variety, not go to pound one sport down their throat. So why slam youth with one sport all year and such a young age.  The high school kids have cross country in fall.  So if I'm coaching xc I dont need my kid running repeats on the track so he's tired come October besides isn't there a Sunday run club for them?  I believe that group seems to have done just fine. If your going after the youth then I would think this track program would run from middle of may thru July.  
  If it's 10k thru marathon training it's  stepping on the current ivs programs toes!  Why have 10k thru marathon if the ivs is already doing this training?  Don't like the workouts or think you can coach them better?  The few fast guys that were at team steam/fall steam won't be there to lead the show. Plus it's 100 coaching fee plus members fee of 30.  Is that a little pricey like those thirty dollar road races?  Race directors get real, what's wrong with 12 to 15 for preregistered and 2 dollars more late fee?  If it's for the inner city kids are they paying that much?  I hope not! But I will say that I hope this program works for the youth end of things.  I take it that the  peoria track club will travel AAU events like state, regionals, and nationals?
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Reply #10 - Jul 9th, 2009, 1:32am
 
I think that the new group is trying to fill some gaps in training. IVS has great programs that are focused on getting one ready for steamboat and the IVS half. The focus is narrow enough on these races that many people including myself only come to one workout a week because we have other goals in addition to these races.
 
PATFC is focused on giving each participant a 16 week running plan for the distance of their choice. This customized coaching is worth far more than the price charged. And it is a big need. There were a lot of new folks at the PATFC meeting that I have not seen before that responded to that need.
 
Metamora has a year round football program that gives youth a way to develop their interest in football. I see hundreds of kids at the park across the street learning how to play football for years before they hit high school. This may be why Metamora has the football team it has. And it has done tremendous things for the community and the youth here.  
 
The focus of the new group is long term development of runners at any age to hit their individual goals.  Most of what I have learned about running was from Pfitzinger or books like that. It is great stuff but programs like this are generic enough so that there is only so far one can go with them. And there are folks out there at any age that want to push the envelope a bit farther and see what they can do.
 
A customized coaching program like the one PATFC offers with a focus on individually defined goals over the long term rather than a focus on a key race will do great things both for the runners and the community.
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2009, 5:30am
 
My two cents:  back when I was running (instead of attempting to racewalk), I had some ideas about trying to see what I could do in the mile.  This track club idea would be perfect for that.
 
If I didn't already have a goal for 2010, I'd probably start working with this program; however if it is still going next year I'll probably join just to see if I can get some life into these creaky legs.  Wink
 
Just a note:  you've heard of Haile Gebrselassie.  He is currently the only sub 2:04 marathon runner.  He also has run indoor track during off season including 1500 meter races; that sure hasn't hurt his long distance speed.  Wink
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Reply #12 - Jul 9th, 2009, 8:13am
 
Having met a time or two with people regarding FAST and PATFC, I think I'd like to chime in on this one as well.  Its definately not a splinter or rogue group off of IVS.  Its a lot like what Pat said.  Its merely providing some opportunities that have not been there in the past.  IVS has been a mainstay in Central Illinois to promote running in the Peoria area and to provide programs and local races to promote the sport.  It has and will continue to do so.  I still stand by previous threads when I say that IVS does it as good or better than anybody else.
 
I think FAST and PATFC are helping with providing more specific training for individuals in areas of track and field as well as distance running that were not there before, or have it on a more guided regular basis.
 
At the very least, why the hell not try?  What's the worst case scenario?  If it doesn't work, we learn from it and move on.  If it does, Amen.  I think Peoria can only benefit from it.  Can a high schooler get burned out from over doing it come the season?  Sure could.  Haven't we all though at some point?  
 
But hopefully with proper coaching and guidance, the athlete  has a killer base going into his or her season.  Maybe that athlete gets a better feel of leaning into the turn on their high jump approach, or getting straight up and down on their pole-vault plant.  Or maybe they finally get the idea about stay low out of the blocks.
 
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Reply #13 - Jul 9th, 2009, 9:53am
 
I'll take a wait and see approach on this.  My understanding of the initial concept for patfc was for development of youth track and field and more focused training for high school/collegiate runners.  It appears now to be advertising a variety of programs beyond track and field.  Which is fine. But even a casual observer could draw a logical conclusion that there is some direct competition with IVS, whether intended or not.
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Reply #14 - Jul 9th, 2009, 10:39am
 
Perspective, perspective, perspective.  Let's look at this from a different one.  Both programs can exist and succeed together.  Again, my parents weren't hippies, although my older bro consistently claimed I was adopted, so who knows?  The IVS programs are established and successful, I don't see that changing with the introduction of PATFC or FAST.  If a runner wants to supplement current training with the help of an individualized training plan and is willing to shell out the bucks for it, then who does that hurt?  I know of runners in our area who "subscribe" online to a running coach who does the same concept.  Why not let a local group get that revenue?  When I did Team Steam, I would often ask Greg White questions about my training and seek out his advice for racing.   Now, there's someone (Brad, Adam, etc) who will tailor a program for you, again if you are willing to pay.  If the programs are successful, that means an increase in the members of a running community, which if these youngins' are nurtured by the rest of us, could translate into an increase in IVS membership, increase in local race participation, increase in Steamboat participation, etc.  Yes, this is a change, and I think one person somewhere may have said that change isn't easy.  Overall picture, we want to get people to realize that running is fun and can be good for you.  Whether they are a Buffalo runner, Kennekuk runner, Starved Rock runner, Second Wind runner, Dead runner, or an IVS runner, at least they are running!!  In the end, we are a community of runners.  Now, on the count of three, let's all walk out the door and go for a run.  One, two, GO!
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